Legislature(2001 - 2002)

04/08/2002 02:06 PM Senate HES

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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                    
      SENATE HEALTH, EDUCATION & SOCIAL SERVICES COMMITTEE                                                                    
                          April 8, 2002                                                                                         
                            2:06 p.m.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lyda Green, Chair                                                                                                       
Senator Loren Leman, Vice Chair                                                                                                 
Senator Gary Wilken                                                                                                             
Senator Jerry Ward                                                                                                              
Senator Bettye Davis                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All Members Present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                              
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 311                                                                                                             
"An Act relating to the public school trust fund, the Alaska                                                                    
children's trust, and the Alaska heritage endowment fund; and                                                                   
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
     MOVED CSSB 311(HES) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 346                                                                                                             
"An Act relating to statewide school district correspondence                                                                    
study and state supported home schooling programs."                                                                             
     HEARD AND HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS SENATE COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SB 311 - No previous committee action.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SB 346 - See HESS minutes dated 3/15/02 and 3/18/02.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Zach Warwick                                                                                                                
Staff to Senator Therriault                                                                                                     
Alaska State Capitol                                                                                                            
Juneau, AK  99801-1182                                                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented SB 311 for the sponsor.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Neil Slotnick                                                                                                               
Deputy Commissioner                                                                                                             
Department of Revenue                                                                                                           
PO Box 110400                                                                                                                   
Juneau, AK  99811-0400                                                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT:  Explained the intent of SB 311.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. John Jenks                                                                                                                  
Treasury Division                                                                                                               
Department of Revenue                                                                                                           
PO Box 110400                                                                                                                   
Juneau, AK  99811-0400                                                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered questions about SB 311.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Shari Paul                                                                                                                  
Project Coordinator                                                                                                             
Alaska Children's Trust                                                                                                         
Department of Education &                                                                                                       
 Early Development                                                                                                              
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801 W 10 St.                                                                                                                    
Juneau, AK  99801-1894                                                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered questions about SB 311.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Whitney Highland                                                                                                            
Staff to Senator Leman                                                                                                          
Alaska State Capitol                                                                                                            
Juneau, AK  99801-1182                                                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified for the sponsor of SB 346.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
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TAPE 02-26, SIDE A                                                                                                            
Number 001                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN  LYDA  GREEN  called the  Senate  Health,  Education  &                                                            
Social Services Committee  meeting to order at  2:06 p.m. Senators                                                              
Wilken, Ward, Davis and Green were  present. The committee took up                                                              
SB 311.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                 SB 311-STATE TRUST FUND MONIES                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. ZACH WARWICK, staff to Senator  Therriault, sponsor of SB 311,                                                              
gave the following testimony. SB  311 was introduced after Senator                                                              
Therriault met with  Department of Revenue staff who  came up with                                                              
the suggestions in the bill. SB 311  will give greater flexibility                                                              
to the commissioner of the Department  of Revenue in investing the                                                              
principal of the  public school trust fund, the  Alaska children's                                                              
trust, and the Alaska heritage endowment fund.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
When the trust funds were set up,  the statute was written so that                                                              
any money appropriated  would come from the net  income account of                                                              
the fund.  However, when investing  in securities  that appreciate                                                              
in  value rather  than  produce an  income,  it  is impossible  to                                                              
appropriate any  income. As  a result, the  funds are  invested in                                                              
CDs and bonds.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SB  311  will  allow  investments  to  be  made  in  higher  yield                                                              
securities. Current  statutory language  provides no  incentive to                                                              
invest  in securities  that  receive higher  yields.  SB 311  will                                                              
allow appropriations  to  be made  based on the  market value.  It                                                              
directs  the commissioner  to invest  assets  in instruments  that                                                              
yield at least five percent, to inflation  proof the funds, and to                                                              
report the market value of the funds  to the legislature annually,                                                              
as well  as the money  appropriated from  the fund. Basically,  SB
311  will create  a more  productive group  of funds  that can  be                                                              
better used by the trust boards.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN asked if SB 311 applies to two funds.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. WARWICK  said it  applies to  three: the  public school  trust                                                              
fund, the  Alaska children's  trust fund  and the Alaska  heritage                                                              
endowment fund.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN asked about the Alaska heritage endowment fund.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. WARWICK said it is a fund for public museums.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN  asked if  SB 311 will  allow a more  competitive                                                              
and aggressive investment scheme.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. WARWICK said that is correct.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DAVIS asked  how much money is in the  public school trust                                                              
fund.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  NEIL  SLOTNICK,  Deputy Commissioner  of  the  Department  of                                                              
Revenue, said SB 311 is important  to DOR because it creates a new                                                              
and better  system for managing funds.  He emphasized that  SB 311                                                              
does not  create new  trusts or change  the status  of any  of the                                                              
trusts created in statute.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SLOTNICK   explained  that  this  issue  grew   from  Senator                                                              
Phillips' effort  last year to  establish the Arctic  Winter Games                                                              
endowment. Senator  Phillips worked with DOR to  create an optimal                                                              
set  of  instructions   to  manage  an  endowment,   using  modern                                                              
portfolio  theory to  provide a set  of instructions  so that  the                                                              
portfolio  is   managed  on  the   basis  of  total   return.  The                                                              
instructions  also provide  for automatic  inflation proofing.  He                                                              
asked Mr. Jenks to elaborate.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JOHN  JENKS,  chief  investment   officer  for  the  Treasury                                                              
Division,  DOR,   informed  members  that  SB  311   will  improve                                                              
flexibility and  align the investment  process with the  long term                                                              
nature of these trust funds. It separates  the investment decision                                                              
from the accounting  decision. Under current statute,  the type of                                                              
income, whether it be dividend or  interest income or a stock that                                                              
increases in  value, determines what  happens to the  income. That                                                              
results in an inefficient investment  mix of stocks and bonds with                                                              
a lower long-term  return. To not have to distinguish  between the                                                              
type  of  income  each produces  will  significantly  improve  the                                                              
flexibility and efficiency of the  investment process. SB 311 also                                                              
incorporates a market value payout  method that is spread out over                                                              
a three  year rolling  monthly average of  the market  value. That                                                              
method  provides  a  relatively  stable  and  predictable  revenue                                                              
stream, which will enable better  planning for long term programs.                                                              
SB 311 also contains an explicit inflation-proof mandate.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN asked if DOR did  something similar to this about                                                              
three or four years ago with the permanent fund.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. JENKS  said there are  a couple of  places where  this process                                                              
comes in. It has not been used with  the permanent fund but it was                                                              
talked   about   extensively   when   the   legislature   provided                                                              
instructions  on a portion  of the  constitutional budget  reserve                                                              
fund. He added that a slight variation  of this method is used for                                                              
power cost equalization.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SLOTNICK  responded to  a  question  posed by  Senator  Davis                                                              
earlier  and  said the  public  school  fund contains  about  $275                                                              
million.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN asked  why the phrase "programs  and" was changed                                                              
to the word "project" on page 5.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. SLOTNICK  indicated the Alaska  children's trust  supports the                                                              
bill but  requested that  word change.  He believed  it has  to do                                                              
with federal language  that specifically describes  what a program                                                              
or  project  is that  limits  the  way the  children's  trust  can                                                              
administer its grants. Using the  generic term "project" will make                                                              
it easier for the children's trust.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WARD  asked if a larger  dollar amount can be  invested if                                                              
principal and income is combined.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. JENKS  said the  same dollar  amount will  be invested  but it                                                              
will  be  invested   more  efficiently  by  getting   rid  of  the                                                              
distinction  between the principal  and income  parts of  the fund                                                              
and  by  removing the  constraint  on  the  type of  earnings  the                                                              
investments make. DOR expects that  over time, the funds will earn                                                              
about .65 percent more if SB 311 is enacted.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WARD asked  if the principal could be invested  in a lower                                                              
risk  instrument than  the  income  or whether  they  can both  be                                                              
invested in the same types of investment.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. JENKS said  right now they are invested differently.  When DOR                                                              
constructs  the  investment  policy  for the  principal  of  these                                                              
funds,  it must keep  in mind  these investments  are expected  to                                                              
produce  either  capital  gains or  dividends  and  interest.  The                                                              
current  statutory  language  instructs  DOR to  create  an  ever-                                                              
increasing  stream  of  income  so   that  when  DOR  creates  the                                                              
investment policies for the principal,  it has constructed a logic                                                              
that says it should inflation proof  the fund. DOR tries to create                                                              
an investment policy  that will produce capital gains  in one form                                                              
or another  equal to the expected  inflation rate plus a  bit more                                                              
to grow the principal ever so slightly  in real terms. After that,                                                              
DOR makes investments that maximize  current income: dividends and                                                              
interest payments  on bonds. The  interest payments  and dividends                                                              
are  transferred  into  a  separate  fund  because  the  [statute]                                                              
currently  requires DOR  to  keep track  of  principal and  income                                                              
separately.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Each year, the  legislature makes appropriations  from that income                                                              
to the various  programs. Because the income fund  is likely to be                                                              
appropriated   in   the   near   term,   it   is   invested   more                                                              
conservatively.   DOR  is  also   fairly  conservative   with  the                                                              
principal  because it  believes  if it  invests  for more  capital                                                              
gains  than just  barely  enough to  offset  inflation, a  current                                                              
beneficiary  could  claim DOR  is  making  an investment  for  the                                                              
future while  its statutory charge  is to get the  maximum current                                                              
income.  DOR ends  up investing  more conservatively  in total  to                                                              
meet the first charge. Right now  that policy allows the trusts to                                                              
earn about  7.25 percent  over time. If  SB 311 passes,  the funds                                                              
are expected  to earn  almost 8 percent,  resulting in  more money                                                              
for the programs.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:22 p.m.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN asked  if SB 311 contains the same  concept that is                                                              
being promoted for  the permanent fund, except that  SB 311 uses a                                                              
three-year instead of a five-year average.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JENKS  said   he  does  not  believe  there   are  any  other                                                              
fundamental differences.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WILKEN  asked  if  inflation  proofing is  based  on  the                                                              
assumption that the returns will be greater than five percent.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. JENKS  said that  is correct and,  under the current  statute,                                                              
DOR is  constrained to  7.25 percent.  He added  that DOR  and the                                                              
Permanent Fund  Corporation use  the same  consulting firm  to get                                                              
capital market assumptions and estimates.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN asked  if DOR expects the public  school trust fund                                                              
to increase if SB 311 is enacted.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. JENKS said  over time all three funds are  expected to produce                                                              
more  income for  the programs.  The  amount they  produce now  is                                                              
about $2 million per year.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WILKEN asked  if the  public  school trust  fund will  be                                                              
jeopardized  in  any  way  because  changes  will  be  made  to  a                                                              
constitutionally protected  fund. He added, "Does  this change now                                                              
make  it  just  like  any  other   fund  that  doesn't  have  that                                                              
constitutional  protection  as being  in  place  at the  time  the                                                              
Constitution was assigned?"                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. JENKS said  no, there would be no such effect.  The management                                                              
would  not  affect  in  any  way   the  fund's  designation  as  a                                                              
constitutionally protected trust fund.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN  reiterated her  concern about changing  the word                                                              
"program" to "project."                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SHARI PAUL,  project coordinator  for  the Alaska  Children's                                                              
Trust, informed  members that the  intent of the  children's trust                                                              
was to provide  communities with a way to prevent  child abuse and                                                              
neglect.  However, the  Trust  has found  over  years of  awarding                                                              
grants  to communities,  more  interest from  major  organizations                                                              
looking for supplemental funds to  continue operating. The statute                                                              
says  the   children's  trust   should  fund   community-initiated                                                              
projects. It  has been  pushing hard to  communicate in  its grant                                                              
applications  that communities  need to  come together to  present                                                              
and create  projects that  address the  problem of child  neglect.                                                              
The children's  trust requested the  language change in SB  311 to                                                              
clarify the intent  of the statute and what the  trust is actually                                                              
doing: funding projects, not programs that keep agencies afloat.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN  GREEN asked  Ms. Paul  to describe  her definition  of                                                              
"program."                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. PAUL  said the words  "project" and  "program" are  often used                                                              
interchangeably  but she wants to  make sure everything  published                                                              
by  the  children's   trust  says  it  funds   community-initiated                                                              
projects.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN asked for an example of a program.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. PAUL  said the  children's trust  funds a parenting  education                                                              
program at  the Anchorage Center  for Families. She  repeated that                                                              
the terms are intermixed all of the  time but the children's trust                                                              
wants to be consistent in its publications.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN asked for an example of a project.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS.  PAUL  said   the  children's  trust  funded   a  child  abuse                                                              
prevention project within the youth  program at the Nome Community                                                              
Center.  Part of  the  project entails  getting  youth mentors  to                                                              
accompany  other youth  to work  on April  child abuse  prevention                                                              
month activities.  That is  a specific  project within  an overall                                                              
program  called  YES  -  Youth Empowered  to  Serve  program.  The                                                              
children's trust  funded a small portion  of that program  to do a                                                              
prevention project.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN asked where APRN would fall.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. PAUL said  the children's trust no longer funds  APRN but APRN                                                              
funded  public  service  announcements   that  provided  parenting                                                              
messages.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN  said she can see  a scenario in which  one group                                                              
could have  a project in 17  communities and the  children's trust                                                              
is funding the  "genesis" group, or group that  drove the project.                                                              
She said  she wants to  be sure that  the legislature will  not be                                                              
allowing  the children's  trust to  grant  seven $50,000  projects                                                              
that, under  the definition  of a  program, would  be one  $50,000                                                              
project.  She repeated  her concern that  changing the  definition                                                              
could allow  one group  to get a  bigger share  than it  would get                                                              
under the current system.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. PAUL said  an organization or a community can  only receive up                                                              
to $30,000. The  board lowered the ceiling to  $30,000 three years                                                              
ago because it had a limited amount of money to award.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN  GREEN referred  to language  on page  7, line 18,  and                                                              
asked for clarification.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. PAUL  replied, "It says  may not  exceed $50,000 so  the board                                                              
three  years  ago   said  well,  if  we  funded   -  we  only  had                                                              
approximately $260,000 to award and  we weren't able to award that                                                              
many grants so the board made a unanimous  agreement to lower that                                                              
-  may not  exceed  $30,000.  Well no,  it  still may  not  exceed                                                              
$50,000 but it's $30,000."                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN  GREEN  asked if  next  year's  board could  fund  each                                                              
project at $50,000 if it has more money.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. PAUL said it could but it will  fund only one award per agency                                                              
or community. For  instance, if the Anchorage  Center for Families                                                              
applied three  times, the Board  would look at  funding structures                                                              
and geographic distribution so it would not award three grants.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN gave the example  of the Boys and Girls Club that                                                              
does  a  special  project  on  child  abuse  in  many  communities                                                              
throughout the  state. She  asked if the  group in each  community                                                              
would qualify for a grant.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. PAUL said yes, if they applied separately.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN  asked if the  language change from  "program" to                                                              
"project" would make any difference.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. PAUL said that will help clarify  that the children's trust is                                                              
just funding  a specific project,  not a whole program  in itself.                                                              
For example it will not be funding  the Boys and Girls Club, but a                                                              
small portion of it.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN said she is saying  the program would be the Boys                                                              
and Girls Club and the location would  be the individual projects.                                                              
She said she wants to be sure the  children's trust is not funding                                                              
seven distinct projects  within one entity. She  asked whether the                                                              
trust has language that pertains to that scenario.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. PAUL  said that is  not the trust's  intent. The intent  is to                                                              
support projects.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN  GREEN announced  that SB  311 needs  more work  so the                                                              
committee will set  it aside and perhaps revisit  it on Wednesday.                                                              
She  also  reminded  members  that   the  committee  will  hold  a                                                              
discussion on  the ATAP legislation  at that time. She  noted that                                                              
Sandy  Hoback and  Ted Abrams  (ph) are  in Juneau  to visit  with                                                              
members to answer any questions.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WARD  asked if the North  Slope Borough has  reported back                                                              
to the committee on the interviews  held with parents in Kivalina.                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN replied the continuation  of the Kivalina hearing                                                              
is scheduled on Friday.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
           SB 346-SCHOOL DISTRICT CORRESPONDENCE STUDY                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN, sponsor of SB 346,  reminded members that SB 346 is                                                              
legislation  that  deals with  regulations  by the  Department  of                                                              
Education and Early Development (DOEED)  that pertain to statewide                                                              
correspondence  schools. He noted  that members  have heard  a lot                                                              
about the  issue, so asked that  it be reported from  committee if                                                              
the Chairwoman is ready.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN noted  that a committee substitute  (CS) needs to                                                              
be adopted.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN moved to adopt the Senate HESS CS to SB 346.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DAVIS asked if a new CS is before the committee.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN  GREEN  informed  members  that she  was  referring  to                                                              
Version C, which was distributed to members at the last hearing.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DAVIS asked what changes have been made in Version C.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN said  that since the last hearing  there has been                                                              
a  meeting of  the  minds between  the correspondence  school  and                                                              
DOEED.  She said  she  wants to  be  sure this  legislation  keeps                                                              
moving.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. WHITNEY  HIGHLAND,  staff to Senator  Leman, informed  members                                                              
that  the changes  considered  at the  last  hearing pertained  to                                                              
whether  a  subsection of  SB  346  should  be placed  in  another                                                              
section  of  statute.  She  spoke   with  Mike  Ford,  legislative                                                              
counsel, who indicated that language  should remain as is - placed                                                              
in the  section of  statute that  deals with  the duties  of local                                                              
school districts  and not the state  school board.   Therefore, no                                                              
change was made to Version C.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  DAVIS said  she was  pleased this  bill was  put on  hold                                                              
while the  state board had an  opportunity to review  the proposed                                                              
regulations.  She said from  everything she  has read,  it appears                                                              
the state board has already addressed  the problem that SB 346 was                                                              
designed to fix.  The state board has put the  revised regulations                                                              
out for  public review so  she questioned  what the purpose  of SB
346 is at  this date. She  expressed concern that it  is premature                                                              
and  that legislators  should allow  the process  to complete  its                                                              
course  before changing  the  statute. She  noted  the people  who                                                              
requested SB 346  are the same people who are now  saying that the                                                              
revised regulations have met their needs.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN said SB 346 was originally  introduced to respond to                                                              
DOEED's  overreach during  the regulatory  process. Regarding  the                                                              
purpose  for  the  bill  now,  DOEED  has  proposed  revising  its                                                              
regulations  in response  to concerns  expressed  by many  parents                                                              
across Alaska but the revisions will  not be finalized until June.                                                              
He anticipates  that this  legislature will  be adjourned  by that                                                              
time. Consequently, the purpose of  SB 346 is to give direction to                                                              
a  department that  has shown  it  needs it.  He said  he is  very                                                              
pleased with  the changes  made by DOEED,  but the purpose  of the                                                              
legislature is to give direction to the departments.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DAVIS said the Administrative  Regulation Review Committee                                                              
addresses problems with the regulatory  process and that committee                                                              
has  reviewed the  process and  is  waiting for  the outcome.  She                                                              
asked why this  issue cannot be addressed by the  next legislature                                                              
if the  problem is not  resolved by  the revised regulations.  She                                                              
said  she  doesn't  believe  the  legislature  should  be  second-                                                              
guessing  what DOEED is  going to  do and  repeated that  the same                                                              
parents  who  came  to  Senator Leman  are  now  saying  they  are                                                              
satisfied  with  the  process.  She   advised  that  the  proposed                                                              
regulations will  not be changed  while they are under  review and                                                              
DOEED and the  parents are happy with the changes.  She noted that                                                              
legislators  are policymakers  but she  does not  see the need  to                                                              
take any action at this time.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN  said he disagrees and  that it is his  opinion that                                                              
because this legislation  was introduced, DOEED came  to the table                                                              
and listened and responded.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN  said he  too thought this  issue was  being worked                                                              
out  at the  table.  He asked  that  a representative  from  DOEED                                                              
comment on Version C.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. TERRI  CAMPBELL, legislative liaison  for DOEED, said  she was                                                              
not aware that SB 346 would be heard  today so was not prepared to                                                              
comment.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN  said he  was surprised that  Version C  was before                                                              
the committee without Dr. McLain being present.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. HIGHLAND  informed members that  the IDEA program is  the only                                                              
home school study program that has  come out in support of the new                                                              
regulations. Hundreds  of other home school parents  and the Cyber                                                              
Links program are not satisfied with the new regulations.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  DAVIS  removed  her  objection  to the  motion  to  adopt                                                              
Version C for the purpose of discussion.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN  GREEN  asked if  the  committee discussed  adding  the                                                              
phrase "state-funded" to line 7, page 2. No one responded.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN moved  CSSB 346(HES) from committee  with individual                                                              
recommendations.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DAVIS objected.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WILKEN asked  if members  want  to hear  from Dr.  McLain                                                              
before this bill leaves the committee.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN  announced the committee  would take a  brief at-                                                              
ease.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
The committee reconvened  and Chairwoman Green announced  that the                                                              
committee  would take  SB 346  up  again on  Wednesday. She  asked                                                              
members to  make sure any of  their concerns are "ironed"  out and                                                              
back to  her because she  intends to  move the legislation  out of                                                              
committee on Wednesday.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WILKEN asked  Ms. Highland  to  bring members  a list  of                                                              
other people's concerns.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN   GREEN  informed  members   that  the   Administrative                                                              
Regulation   Review  Committee   has  asked   her  to  move   this                                                              
legislation forward.  She then announced  that the  committee will                                                              
hear the ATAP  legislation on Wednesday and adjourned  the meeting                                                              
at 2:47 p.m.                                                                                                                    

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